
Idealism and Pragmatism for Beginners
- Given by
- Not stated
- Protagonist
- Not stated
- Chain position
- Not stated
- Unlocked after
- Not stated
- Locations
- Northwest Saint Denis, at night
- Target
- Not stated
- Rewards
- Not stated
- Unlocks
- Not stated
- Counter value
- Not required for 100%
Player notes
After "The Gilded Cage", Arthur Morgan receives a letter from Saint Denis mayor Henri Lemieux, who asks the man who robbed him at his party to visit the mayor's mansion after dark. John Marston can also answer the summons. Lemieux makes clear that he knows more about his visitor than he lets on, then asks for help with paintings he wants displayed at a gallery. Professor Shiftacre has declared them fraudulent. At the gallery, Arthur or John follows Shiftacre into an alley and forces him to withdraw his opinion, before meeting Lemieux's assistant, Jean-Marc, in the street.
A few days later, another letter calls Arthur or John back to Lemieux's mansion at night. Jean-Marc sends him after Hector Fellowes, a newspaper man travelling in a red stagecoach on a road near Bayou Nwa. He joins Fellowes in the moving coach and hears the journalist call Lemieux a crook. He answers that he is a real crook, then hauls Fellowes partly out of the coach until the frightened man agrees to contribute to the mayor's proposed public library.
Back at the mansion, Lemieux gives Arthur or John an old copy of "Farm, Field and Falconry" and says Jean-Marc may expose both of them to the newspapers. He finds Jean-Marc outside his home, knocks him unconscious, and carries him unseen to the mayor's grounds. In the backyard, Lemieux orders Jean-Marc killed. Arthur or John can carry out the order, after which Lemieux later sends thanks and grants a Saint Denis shop discount. If Jean-Marc is spared, he promises silence and flees; a later letter announces Lemieux's resignation and Jean-Marc's appointment as mayor.
Trivia
- ◆John Marston can also do this mission, despite the large time gap and the fact that the Mayor requested Arthur.
- ◆The mayor's reward for helping him in the final part of the mission is cumulative. This means that if the player decides to murder Jean-Marc and gains maximum Honor afterwards, the 50% shop discount will be available due to the Honor, plus the 10% discount promised by the mayor, totaling 60% in all shops of Saint Denis.
- ◆If the mission is available when breaking in by destroying and climbing through one of the mansion's windows, Lemieux will be in his office and can be aimed at and even killed by the player. Jean-Marc can also be found inside, however, he can only be killed with throwables such as fire bottles, due to the player being unable to shoot him.
- ◆During the intro cutscene of Part I if played as Arthur, Lemieux hints that he knows Arthur's real name, despite the fact that Arthur introduces himself as Tacitus Kilgore. In Part II, Lemieux sarcastically calls him "Mr. Arthur" and then immediately corrects himself.
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Last verified September 14, 2026
